Travis reflects on the latest episode’s success on YouTube and how overweighting the follow up to a big win can prevent you from building on that momentum.
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Host: Travis Ference
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Hey, welcome to progression success in the music industry. You know, when you hear that
these days that we're going unscripted, I thought that might be
fun. I've enjoyed the unscripted stuff that I've been doing
lately on the audio podcast, and, you
know, thinking about the YouTube and how the production value
there keeps going up and how those videos become
solo podcast episodes, I feel like maybe there's space to
just be really. I don't want to say honest and truthful, because I am
honest and truthful, but, you know, unscripted and off the cuff. In the spirit
of that, I am having a cocktail right now. It's an old
fashioned. I'm kind of a weirdo. I mean, any engineer
you would imagine might be compelled to
weigh their cocktails. And so that's what I do. I use a. I use
a dry scale. Uh, but 1.8oz of
bourbon or rye, 0.3oz of maraschino cherry
liqueur. That's my sweetener. Instead of a simple syrup, I
do two dashes of regular bitters and two dashes of orange bitters. And I use
a lemon peel, not an orange peel. So, now you know what's
going on with my evening, but let's talk about what's going
on with the podcast. So, this week, or I guess it's last week at this
point, mastering is dead. I mean, it's obviously not dead. If you listen to the
episode, then you know that it was very pro mastering. Uh, it was just
packaged in a YouTube style, and that video
did really well. I'm actually. I'm really excited
about how well it did. Uh, it's really grown
the progressions YouTube a lot, which is another reason that I think you. You know,
I want the audio podcast to retain some of the audio podcast character.
I don't want to script everything on here. But while thinking about how to
follow that video up, well, a. I felt the
pressure, right? It has 11,000 views. I've gotten, like,
almost 500 subscribers from it. And when.
When you get a big win, I mean, that's not a huge win, but you
get a win like that, you really second guess how you want to follow that
up. Do I do an interview? Do I do another solo video?
How much time do I have this week? And I just. I decided
I'm not comfortable just pushing something out to YouTube this
week that would also obviously be an audio podcast
that, you know, just fits into the amount of time that I have this week,
which is not. Not a lot. So I thought, let's talk
about following up on a big win or a
big loss, because I think that's really what separates
people from being super successful. And
not if you're the type of person that is not afraid to
just keep moving forward after a success
or not afraid to keep moving forward after a failure.
I think you're going to find yourself really way out in front of
the pack. It doesn't sound difficult, but if you've
maybe written a song that has done well
or worked on a record that's done well, or put a
YouTube video out that's done well, when you go to do that same
thing next time, you remember that
you did so well last time. And it's kind of, you know, it reminds me
of golfing. I used to golf when I had time every weekend
or every other weekend, and you're always doing battle with yourself.
You're always comparing your current score with your
score. Last time, my scores were horrible, but
whenever I had a good one, if I went out and actually played
respectable golf, still bad the following week, I would. It
would be like a 120. I'd be like, I'd want to, like, walk off the
course because there's all that pressure to follow that up. And I definitely
think that that obviously applies to any
creative or business endeavor. And I think mastering, not
having that fear of follow up, which is almost like
it's as much a fear of failure as it is a fear
of success, because obviously, you don't want
to have a failure after a big win, but then you
also have this momentum, and if you get another big
win, are you going to, like, propel yourself further ahead than you
never expected and not realize what the next step is? And it
sounds weird to say fear of success, but
I do believe that there are people that hold themselves back
because they're afraid of the change. Think of how many artists
that you might know that have had massive success
out of nowhere and then not followed it up
or waited forever to follow it up because there's a lot of weight there.
I think a good example is I think that my
worst mixes are the ones that I am
most concerned about following through on because they're an amazing
opportunity. I will overthink those mixes,
almost run them into the ground. In fact, I can think of two mixes where
they didn't use my mix because I probably didn't trust
my gut and trust my instinct, and I over thought it because it was
a bigger artist than I normally work with. It was a good opportunity. It was
a big producer, whatever it is I put too much weight on
that opportunity. And I think that's really what it is, is
when you're following up a win, a lot of us put too much weight
on that opportunity, and so it can be really easy to let
yourself down. That's what people are afraid of. They don't want to
come from that. That high and then transition into being let
down. And, you know, this is coming from the guy that is not doing
a YouTube video this week. Instead, I'm going rambling unscripted
with a cocktail on my podcast. But
I don't think that it's because I'm afraid of failure
or afraid of success. I believe that it's because I
don't have the bandwidth this week to
approach this opportunity with the right strategy. And I
think that is the angle that you
should be taking. If you put a song out and it's doing really well,
take a moment to think about why is this song doing really
well? What part of what I did
worked? Was it your marketing? Was it outreach
to people? Was it organic? Was it just that? It was a great song
and it worked. Look at that and think about that before you roll
your next song out. Because if there's something that you can take away and apply
it to the strategy for your next one, then you're going to set yourself up
for. For potentially compounding that opportunity.
So to kind of step away from that angle for a
moment, I think there is also something else that comes into play here
where the state of the world and the short
attention span ness of culture these days, I think
encourages you to follow up any
opportunity or missed opportunity with
quantity. This is a horrible example for musicians, but let's just say you want
to be like a influencer, right? Where you put a video out on
TikTok and it doesn't get any plays. So you put another one out. You put
another one out, you put another one out, you immediately want to follow it with
more, more, and you're not worried about whether it's better or
worse. Maybe you are, but you're just pushing forward with more
quantity. Or in the complete opposite situation, you
put a video out and it blows up and it goes viral and you do
the same thing. You just do more and more, more, more, more, more. And I
think that that's helpful. When you're starting out at something like, if you're
just starting to release music or you're just starting to mix records, the
reps are huge. You need the reps. You need to put
out more, write more songs, release more songs and you get
comfortable in that whole process. But I
think eventually, whether you are as successful as you'd
like to be or not, quality has to come into play.
And I think that's where a lot of people might go wrong. And
now I am. I am truly off script with no bullet points. So
hopefully, when this is over, it still makes sense. But I think if you
are on the quantity road and you're putting the reps in and you're
reaching a level of success and you don't transition
into quality, then you're missing an
opportunity. Because if you've done the work, you've put the reps
out, you've released the music, you've written the songs, you've mixed, what, whatever it
is, once you've put the reps in and you're actually good at that thing,
if you continue with the quantity mindset, I think that you're going to
plateau yourself and that you're going to be at a ceiling. And I
guess the ultimate would be to have quantity and quality. But in order to do
that, I think you need to do the quantity game until you're good at it,
then do the quality game, figure out how to do the best thing that you
can do and then put them together. Now that I say it out loud, that
is the end goal. And that is how you get there. Even if you're not
making music or making content or whatever it is, even if you're just engineering or
just mixing or just mastering, that's what your idols did. They did a lot of
work until they built their skillset. Then they really honed
and mastered their skill, and now they're able
to do a large quantity of great work. Yeah. So I think
that's where we're going to leave this one, I guess, to do a quick summary.
The takeaways here are to really believe in
your follow up. Whether it's from a win or from
a loss, that next opportunity that comes,
remember that you are going to overweight that opportunity
and don't let that prevent you from putting your best foot forward.
I guess to tie the second half to the first half of this little
rant, it's important to know where you are in your
career. Know whether you're in the reps skill
building phase, or if you're in the focus on quality
phase, or if you're transitioning into that combo
of the two that hopefully you'll spend the back half of your
career in. And I think if you're aware of where you are in your
journey and you can tie that to your wins
and losses and use that to trigger some confidence in your follow
up. I think you're going to be in a great place so I hope this
one was helpful. I appreciate all my longtime
audio listeners and let me know whether these unscripted things
are working for you. I'm enjoying them. I'm getting better out of my
hope. And also remember there's a new website progressionspodcast.com
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